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Sunday, December 5, 2010


In comtemplating how our family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors will behave towards us and towards each other as the Endarkenment progresses, one should be aware of the works of Stanley Milgram.

Presented without commentary:

Wiki on the Milgram Experiment

Website re Milgram by his biographer

Three-part video of 1962 film by Milgram describing the experiment:

Three-part video of Milgram experiment reiteration in 2009:


Blogger Pat H. said...

Yes, I've seen those quite some time ago, they're used in medical ethics classes, that kind of experiment is unethical in the university setting now. But not in government, of course.

Remember, waterboarding isn't torture, it's mildly uncomfortable, like a frat hazing. Ask Mancow how it was.

December 5, 2010 at 3:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Only one participant steadfastly refused to administer shocks below the 300-volt level."
Remember that fact. Most people will obey. Most people will do as they are told even when it conflicts with their inner morality.

Think how that all plays out when your own flesh and blood are manipulated to turn against you. They will be told it is for our own good. Children turning in their parents. Wives turning in their husbands. Brother against brother. And don't even think you can trust your neighbor.

Steel you inner outlaw now folks.
We are on our own...a band of outcasts and threats to the greater good.


December 5, 2010 at 3:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep. No need to worry about those 'sheepdogs' in law enforcement and the military, I'm sure they'll speak right up and stop the oppression when the time comes.

December 5, 2010 at 4:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend of mine (summa cum laude behavioral science) exposed me to this about 15 years ago. One thing that he told me was that no women refused to go all the way(don't laugh), and only a small percentage of men refused. (Note: one woman in recent studies did refuse to continue, but in the interview afterwards she admitted knowing about the experiment beforehand -- she needed the money.

Now you know why Napolitano is Secretary of Homeland Security. When she is told to place a Maverick or maybe a Hellfire AGM in your house full of children- her superiors can rest assuredly that she will.

December 5, 2010 at 4:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you need to know about women in positions of power:

Charles Sheridan and Richard King hypothesized that some of Milgram's subjects may have suspected that the victim was faking, so they repeated the experiment with a real victim: a puppy who was given real electric shocks. They found that 20 out of the 26 participants complied to the end. The six that had refused to comply were all male (54% of males were obedient[28]); all 13 of the women obeyed to the end, although many were highly disturbed and some openly wept.

Maybe we need to reconsider Sarah Palin as President.

December 5, 2010 at 5:32 AM  
Blogger Dedicated_Dad said...

God help us.

I knew about this, but had never seen the videos before.

I can't help but wonder if - in the original experiment - the Veteran status of the subject made a difference. This being just after WW2, odds are great that most of the men had seen service and thus been conditioned to follow orders.

What this says for our current debacle is ... troubling to say the least.

One can only hope ...


December 5, 2010 at 4:43 PM  
Anonymous JR said...

In the Wikipedia article discussing the experiments, there is a chart indicating various changes to the experiment that affected the outcome. I found it interesting that when there was feigned disagreement among the researchers on whether to continue, only 10% administered the higher shocks. The comment on the chart was revealing: "90% of disobedience happens together w/ others' rebellion."

Being a "rebel" inspires others to do likewise.

Can others see your disobedience? It matters.

December 5, 2010 at 7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep. No need to worry about those 'sheepdogs' in law enforcement and the military, I'm sure they'll speak right up and stop the oppression when the time comes.

December 5, 2010 4:00 AM

Exactly so. Just like when they refused to help the Nazis in the various occupied countries.

December 5, 2010 at 7:49 PM  
Anonymous GardenSERF said...

Now that takes me way back to Psych 101.

Be sure to read the link to Calhoun:


I should probably post something "fun" on old psych studies tomorrow...

December 5, 2010 at 10:10 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

If you remember that people will do ANYTHING that can be done, you got nothing to fear. Human beings will do anything at all possible, and probably sooner than later. Why so shocked. We might be humans, but we ARE animals. Welcome to the party, pal.

December 6, 2010 at 2:03 PM  
Blogger Johnny said...

Not so interesting - we don't call them "sheeple" for nothing, you know. More interesting is the people who don't take part (and don't have foreknowledge of the Milgram Experiment protocols).

It's worth considering the My Lai Massacre in this context and that some soldiers didn't join in with their (majority) compatriots. In fact it only came to light thanks to one soldier who who pushed to make what happened known.

An interesting question to ponder is, how can we identify morally upstanding people who will resist tyranny before they're pushed into facing it? Or are all such people already awake, and are the few? The world sorely needs more than a few good men (and women) in these times.

December 6, 2010 at 8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why the article on The Grey Man is so important. http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2007/05/next-steps-grey-man.html

Yes, most of the disobedience occurs after someone does so first, but the easiest way around that for the authorities is to not let people congregate together when trying to get information from them. Alone, most people will rat you out, especially if they're rewarded for doing so.

Stay under the radar, be the average guy, and do what you need to do in a smart manner. Smart wins, brave gets you killed and means that your mission fails. Remember, there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.

Its either that, or be SO outfront about things that you become the leader of a group and have lots of followers who will have your back, as you have theirs. Enough such groups and the .gov hasn't got a chance - provided that there are no infiltrators.

December 6, 2010 at 9:25 PM  

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