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Saturday, January 9, 2010

Denninger: 401k/IRA Screw Job Coming?

From Karl Denninger:

Now this is a guaranteed rape job.

In a short conversation this noontime that CNBC apparently has omitted from their archives (Why's that folks?) Rick Santelli was talking about a potential to effectively force money into the Treasury market.

Where would they get this?

From your 401k and IRA accounts!

From Businessweek:

The U.S. Treasury and Labor Departments will ask for public comment as soon as next week on ways to promote the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams, according to Assistant Labor Secretary Phyllis C. Borzi and Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary Mark Iwry, who are spearheading the effort.

Let me tell you what this is - it is an attempt to prevent the collapse of the Treasury market!

Forcing people into Treasuries as an "annuity" is exactly what Social Security allegedly is. Except that Treasury stole the money that was collected in FICA taxes and spent it!

Guess what? They'll do that here too - you're going to "invest" in Treasuries which of course are effectively a CALL option on the future taxing ability of the government.

The problem is that with an aging population and the immigrant problem (illegal immigrants that is), along with offshoring, the aggregate wage base will drop and thus this is the most dangerous investment of all!

What's even worse is that the government has intentionally suppressed Treasury yields during this crisis (and will keep doing so by various means, including manipulating the CPI - the "inflation index" - as they have for the last 30 years) so as to guarantee that you lose over time compared to actual purchasing power.


I have been talking about this for quite some time and recall writing a Ticker on it a year or more ago, although I can't find the entry immediately.

Let me be clear:

I have no quarrel with the government mandating that you have a choice in your IRA or 401k account to buy short-duration Treasuries - much like the "G" fund that government and civil-service workers have.

But - "choices" have a funny way of turning into mandates, and this looks to me like a raw admission that Treasury knows it will not be able to sell its debt in the open market - so they will effectively tax you by forcing your "retirement" money to buy them!

This may be the only way for Treasury to hold down interest rates to something reasonable in the intermediate term, but doing so will instantaneously remove a major source of funding for the stock market - that is, the monthly and quarterly inflows from retirement accounts.

You can bet this won't be good for you, the ordinary American.

You can also bet that once such an "option" is made available there is a very high probability of the government doing things that either promote or simply don't stand in the way of another stock market crash as a means of "herding" your money into Treasuries - so they can blow it - all under the guise of being allegedly "safe".

Of course this begs the question - what if the government can't pay down the road when you retire, just as they can't pay on a forward basis with Social Security and Medicare?

This "proposal" can only mean one thing - Treasury smells smoke. Maybe you should pay attention to what they're huffing!

And before you say "oh they'd never do that" I want you to read this:

Here is a warning to us all. The Argentine state is taking control of the country’s privately-managed pension funds in a drastic move to raise cash.


My fear is that governments in the US, Britain, and Europe will display similar reflexes. Indeed, they have already done so. The forced-feeding of banks with fresh capital – whether they want it or not – and the seizure of the Fannie/Freddie mortgage giants before they were in fact in trouble (in order to prevent a Chinese buying strike of US bonds and prevent a spike in US mortgage rates), shows that private property can be co-opted – or eliminated – with little due process if that is required to serve the collective welfare.

Any questions?

PS: If the video shows up I'll update this ticker.... and if you're wondering what hammered the dollar starting at about 9:00 today, this is probably it. Such a "move" would free the government to further abuse the issuance of Treasuries rather than take necessary austerity steps and places us even further down the road toward a political and economic collapse.

Along with the Evans-Pritchard piece cited in Denninger's article, see also this article from US News & World Report from October, 2008, and a related USNWR article from January, 2009.

Best to run the numbers on a cash-out, unless you like the answers to these questions:

- Would you take a promissory note from a bankrupt?

- What if that bankrupt takes your money via the FedGov pistol in his hands and leaves you a promissory note in "exchange"?


Blogger triptyx said...

Regardless of the numbers, think I'd almost rather take a cashout. What a crock. :P

January 9, 2010 at 5:15 AM  
Blogger Nels said...

You will pay taxes, and 10% penalty. That's not the end of the world. The hard part is that you will have to find something to do with the money.

I would rather go into retirement penniless, with a little place in the country all paid for, than a mortgage on a house in town and a 401k.

January 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Owners of IRA's are permitted to invest IRA funds in real estate as long as they don't live in that same real estate. Sounds as iof it is time to consider how to do a work-around using this option. Maybe friends rent investment property from each other?

January 10, 2010 at 2:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would NOT be surprised if the latest chapter of Absolved didn't have a ring of truth to it and certain "Clowns in DC" were executed if what I just read came to be true. My own version of a 401k was a collection of rental properties which would provide me with many years of income. One of them was taken from me several years ago in an Urban Renewal project and was condemned. I was paid less than I bought it for and I vowed NEVER AGAIN will I allow that to happen. Looks like it is about to happen again. Time to think about my "priorities" again.

January 10, 2010 at 5:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The hard part is that you will have to find something to do with the money."

That's easy! Buy gold coins and bury them.

January 12, 2010 at 6:16 AM  

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