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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

Barnhardt: The IOTW Interview

Read all of this IOTW interview with Ann Barnhardt from Monday night.

Pay special attention also to this excerpt from Miss Barnhardt's blog:

...There are a LOT of emails of concern for my safety. Yes, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing going in to this, and I am HONORED to lead you into this battle. But if you REALLY want to help me, here is what you can do. Go out, buy a koran, video yourself burning it and post that on YouTube. Do it NOW. Show the muslims how utterly futile it would be to kill me. I am delighted to lead from the front, but the only way this works is if you wonderful patriots BACK ME UP. One man storming the beach at Normandy would have been meaningless machine gun fodder. But the First Army U.S. and the Second Army U.K. storming the beach constituted a decisively victorious force. Oooh-Rah!

You heard the lady.

Any folks in South Carolina care to get us some space for a "Burn The Documents Of Tyranny" (e.g., the Koran, the UN Charter, the "interstate commerce" line of cases from the Supremes, NFA 34, etc.) rally asap?

We'll see if we can get Miss Barnhardt to speak, and we would even invite the traitorous Senator Graham.



Blogger Pat H. said...

Much better.

April 5, 2011 at 5:13 PM  
Blogger Pat H. said...

Oh, yes, there's plenty of room here at the vineyard for burnings of just about any kind.

I have my own range.

And I own a back hoe.

April 5, 2011 at 5:16 PM  
Blogger Arctic Patriot said...

"Burn the documents of tyranny"???

That's a good idea.

The nights are still a bit chilly...


April 5, 2011 at 5:29 PM  
Blogger Alvie D. Zane said...

If there's a willing range, I can bring a few rounds of 5.56 incendiary. You know, just for a little flair.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, bacon!

April 5, 2011 at 5:29 PM  
Anonymous Ann Barnhardt said...

For the record, I ain't no lady.
Ann B.

April 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM  
Blogger Concerned American said...

IMHO, the venue issue should be driven by practical considerations, to wit:

- can we w/o .gov BS do what we want, such as attending armed, up to and including full battle-rattle

- can the ground administratively support (power, water, latrines) what will be needed?

Pat, have you a link for SC gun laws, especially re open carry of longarms and sidearms?

April 5, 2011 at 5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This lady just might be what it takes, she just showed more balls than all of D.C. has put together.

And yes Sean, I agree. It has gotten completely out of hand, something needs to be done. The metrosexual libtards have sold us out and need to go out with the evil they support. More hemp neckties needed in D.C., maybe like a reward for bad behavior!!!


April 5, 2011 at 5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm up for some 00-buck skeet shooting, with the Koran as the target, here in S/Central Michigan.

We'll drop it on YouTube.

Email greatnotion1@hotmail.com


April 5, 2011 at 5:58 PM  
Anonymous TPaine said...

One person burning the Quran is useless, especially if he's taken as a loony anyway. So the good pastor got some press. Now, if these Quran burnings started popping up all over the place...

I don't have any Qurans available for burning, but I do have a Web site, and will have Ann's videos posted up there, away from YouTube, where they could be purged.

One Quran does nothing - destroying a whole shitload will do something. And we DO have the right of self-defense, so if any Muslim-looking strangers show up at our places, shoot first and ask questions later.

April 5, 2011 at 6:27 PM  
Blogger GunRights4US said...

I know that the topic is shoving back against the towel-heads and their devil book, but as I look at this picture of Ann with a pink AR I am COMPELLED say:

MmmmmMMMM MMMMMMmmmmm MMMMMmmmmmmm

Mercy mercy


April 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM  
Anonymous ironwill - III said...


Get yours FREE.


April 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM  
Blogger Ex-Dissident said...

Heh, my thoughts exactly. Keep burning them until the savages get used to this idea.

April 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would some code monkey put up an animated koran flambe GIF please?

April 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM  
Anonymous Jay Stang said...


I will be sore disappointed if you ain't from Texas. You remind me of my wife.

April 5, 2011 at 9:16 PM  
Blogger Ernest said...

Love it.

Against Islam it is "fight or die". I'm glad we're choosing to fight.

Muslims and appeasers, you absolutely do not want to start a war here by harming the lady. This is America, not one of your third-world cesspools. It will go very ugly for you if she should so much as have her house egged.

April 5, 2011 at 9:17 PM  
Blogger Shy Wolf said...


There's a link for free korans from... guess where?
Yup- a moslum outfit.
Did I mention, they're FREE?
ht/AP for the link

April 5, 2011 at 9:46 PM  
Anonymous Brass said...

Destroying the Koran (while it is a document inspired by Satan) won't do anything. You need to efface it from people's hearts. Inflaming the Mohammetan cult members won't accomplish anything good.

That is the wrong path.

April 5, 2011 at 9:51 PM  
Anonymous GardenSERF said...

Don't forget the IMF Articles of Agreement on the "to burn" list.

April 5, 2011 at 9:57 PM  
Anonymous Mark Matis said...

For TPaine:
Quite frankly, with the swill running this country you are more likely to have to defend yourself against pigs than against Muslim-looking strangers.

April 5, 2011 at 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Brick Top said...

@Pat H.: "I have my own range.

And I own a back hoe."

Bah. Always be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm.

April 5, 2011 at 10:14 PM  
Anonymous Donald Pence said...

I predict (and fear) it won't be long before you see the liberal establishment attacking Ann like she was Sarah Palin. A strong Conservative woman is something they are utterly afraid of. To this point we have to get, no push her out front and then stand behind her regardless of what mudlsinging schoolyard names the liberal progressives call us. Folks like Ann are the real face of our ideals and how we as the majority of common Americans think and hold our beliefs.

April 5, 2011 at 10:35 PM  
Blogger Alan W. Mullenax said...

I'm reasonably sure I'm not going to be able to get any of the milk toasts here in my AO to do anything so provocative.

However, I am willing to travel to a venue where armed individuals are burning the Koran.

That being said, I would prefer it not to be in somebody's yard or out in the middle of no where. That I consider to be a waste of time.

My Florida CCW is reciprocal with many states, but my open carry in other states is not always allowed. North Carolina would be a good choice. Virgina another.

This is an excellent idea. I hope it will not die on the vine.

April 5, 2011 at 10:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a copy of the Qur'an on my desk at work. I've torn out pages and flushed them down the toilet, blown my nose on them, wiped dog $4!+ off my boots with them, burned them, wiped bacon grease on the cover, stomped on it, and put a 5.56 FMJ dead center thru it. Yes, I read it first and Islam is a false religion that worships a pedaphile.

April 6, 2011 at 1:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about sending burned koran's ( enough left to recognize the source) to places like CAIR?

April 6, 2011 at 1:28 AM  
Blogger sofa said...

Is Ann willing to run for President?

Draft Ann for Pres, Rand Paul for VP.

April 6, 2011 at 3:21 AM  
Blogger Workingstiff said...

I have a question for MS. Barnhardt.

Where there any Muslims in the US that attack anyone as a result of burning the Koran?

No, of course not. But what happens when you keep upping the ante, and soon you have US Muslims-some of which are in the US military serving our country--became targets of harassment because of the actions of their radical counterparts overseas?

Many Americans cannot tell a Muslim from Sikh, Indian, or Christian Lebanese, and they could also suffer from the results of your hate-mongering and be targeted because of the color of their skin.

You are spitting in the wind here, Ann, and provoking a fight that your pink M4 and bravado will avail you nothing. If they come after you, it won't be a stand-up gun fight. Just look at how they fight over in Iraq and Afghanistan. If they use the same methods, they will also take out innocent bystanders. Thanks for the collateral damage, Ann.

But you are are absolutely within your right to say and do as you wish--regardless if your irresponsibility merely provides the radicals more propaganda to recruit more to their cause. Over 1 billion Muslims in the world, and you want to tick them all off. Yeah, good luck with that.

April 6, 2011 at 3:32 AM  
Blogger Concerned American said...

Would Georgia work for folks who wished to open carry?

April 6, 2011 at 3:33 AM  
Blogger Concerned American said...

Well, boys, that 'walk softly and carry a limp stick' stuff has worked so well in this country against the domestic enemies.

It's not like they haven't had a good run of 70 or more years....

Why not continue showing our piss-soaked bellies to the motherfu**ers who will slit the throats of the American ruling class and establish the North American Caliphate?

April 6, 2011 at 3:37 AM  
Blogger Arctic Patriot said...






Hey "Workingstiff"-

You can call me a hate monger all you want. I HATE the domination system embodied in islam. I. Hate. It. Did you catch that? Now that your magic phrase is powerless, now what?

I own it. So what?

You say ticking off a billion muslims might be dangerous.


I say ticking off a few million genuine Americans is a hell of a lot worse.

I, for one, have not forgotten the incinerated corpses of those killed on 9-11. I have not forgotten the words in the koran sanctioning those murders. I have not forgotten the friends I have lost fighting the Taliban in the first few years in Afghanistan (legitimacy debates aside).

You, obviously, have a short memory.

When a group of people believes all that stands between them and paradise is your headless corpse, you'd better believe take them at their word. Psyops is a very important tool in warfare. You are seeing it now.

We are at war. A new stage in a very old war. I hope we awaken before it is over.


I will die before submitting to sharia, or to a government that enforces it. Sharia is powerless without a compliant and enabling government.



April 6, 2011 at 4:07 AM  
Anonymous fireplaceguy said...

I've always preferred brunettes, and intellect is the sexiest quality of all. But Ann's really over the top - her AR matches her shoes!


Then there's the "I ain't no lady" bit, which cracked me up. Maybe you're a lady, and maybe you ain't. But you're a babe, for sure!

April 6, 2011 at 4:25 AM  
Anonymous Ed said...

For comic relief, read this entire definition for "islamophobe" on "Urban Dictionary":


Someone really needs to reread the U.S. Constitution.

April 6, 2011 at 5:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burning a Koran as a protest is a joke, like Oath Keepers. If you want to have your real enemies stalking you, convert a gun to full auto or evade income taxes.

There was no MLK-type march against dogs and riot police and lynchings when the remaining liberty in healthcare was taken away. There was no MLK-type march when the Tea Party Republicans extended the Patriot Act. People are not going to march in order to burn books.

April 6, 2011 at 5:15 AM  
Anonymous Kerodin said...

There are moral truths.

Islam is not a religion, and it is dangerous to mankind. The Muslim is no different than the Communist, the Nazi, the Tyranny of any flavor.

Simple fact: Put every Neo-Nazi, Communist, Muslim and other wannabe Master in a ditch, and our world gets better, our women are safer, our children have a chance.

Yes, you can kill threats posed by an idea.

You simply have to be rid of everyone advocating the idea. If Patriots do not feel that very set of cross-hairs on our own backs from every group of Haters out there, then it is we who will end up in the ditch...

Liberty can only exist in a world premised upon Common Sense.



April 6, 2011 at 5:29 AM  
Anonymous Witchwood said...

But what happens when you keep upping the ante, and soon you have US Muslims-some of which are in the US military serving our country--became targets of harassment because of the actions of their radical counterparts overseas?

This statement assumes that the "victory" the federals are fighting for in Araby is attainable if we just refrain from offending Moslems. It isn't attainable at all, regardless of what anyone does to their holy book.

This statement also highlights the hazard of allowing Moslems to serve in the federal military. In order to keep these soldiers safe from possible harrassment, speaking the truth about Islam must be suspended.

It shows a typical neocon mindset, namely that our rights should be suspended (temporarily, of course) because to make use of them would be to place federal troops in danger. So we have a war that cannot be won unless American citizens kow-tow to Moslems. I'm hard pressed to think of a more effective scheme aimed at silencing the average citizen.

Lastly, the federal troops trying to win hearts and minds overseas are in no way serving our country. They are serving their government. If they are patriots they should seek discharge as soon as possible, and if they are in danger of deploying they should seriously consider deserting. Dying for the lie of making the Moslems like us is not my idea of serving the country.

Many Americans cannot tell a Muslim from Sikh, Indian, or Christian Lebanese, and they could also suffer from the results of your hate-mongering and be targeted because of the color of their skin.

Just as the world is blaming Pastor Jones for the murder and beheading of U.N. forces in Afghanistan, so does Workstuff blame Ann Barnhardt for any anti-Moslem violence that may occur in the wake of her statement. This is a perfect inversion of morality. Up is down, black is white. By the way, to date, there has been a single instance of anti-Moslem violence in the wake of 9/11. There have been many jihad attacks against Americans on our own soil, to include the Fort Hood Massacre and the murder of two soldiers standing outside a recruiting center.

If they use the same methods, they will also take out innocent bystanders. Thanks for the collateral damage, Ann.

Not satisfied to blame Ann for anti-Moslem violence, Workstuff blames her for any future jihad attacks as well. The Moslems are responsible for Moslem violence, fool.

Over 1 billion Muslims in the world, and you want to tick them all off. Yeah, good luck with that.

They've been ticked off for the past 14 centuries. Their holy book mandates it.

April 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Mark Matis said...

No Korans readily available here, so I have ordered some and expect to make MY video and post it some time next week.

April 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM  
Blogger Alan W. Mullenax said...

Georgia is cool with me. Drive time would certainly be shorter. We're talking somewhere around Atlanta, right?

I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to carry open with my Florida permit though. And that would be disappointing. Anybody know for sure? I need to check.

Let's do it.

Oh, and Workingstiff, I... Aw hell, never mind.

April 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im in,
set the time and the place.


April 6, 2011 at 2:59 PM  
Blogger idahobob said...

Gotta love this woman!!


April 6, 2011 at 4:12 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Redirect all this time and energy against our real enemy, the U.S. government, not a boogeyman.

If Ms. Barnhardt-on-to-kill-Muslims gave one of her brain cells to the "pastor" in Florida, they'd both have one.

April 6, 2011 at 4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kerodin writes:

“You simply have to be rid of everyone advocating the idea. If Patriots do not feel that very set of cross-hairs on our own backs from every group of Haters out there, then it is we who will end up in the ditch...

Liberty can only exist in a world premised upon Common Sense.”


Your interpretation of liberty is a contradiction. Liberty does not give permission to “be rid of everyone advocating ideas” otherwise yourself would be subject to the same standard for your threats. No matter how much you detest another’s viewpoint, you do not have the ethical right to initiate force unless an immediate and present danger. Anything else is not “resistance”, but provocation.

Resist who? Are Islamic modesty squads patrolling your neighborhood, checking to see if women are wearing ankle length burkas ? Has Sharia law been imposed in your county? Please come off your oppressed high horse, and face the real problem—that it’s our government has broken the Founding Fathers unwritten rule for American foreign policy. “Mind your own Business!”

For 50 years our government set up puppet governments by the CIA, and gave our tax payers dollars as foreign aid to Middle Eastern countries so we could have access to cheap oil and stop the so-called communist domino theory. All that did is enable the radicals who were on the marginal fringe. We supported the Afghans to fight the Soviets in the USSR, using them as tools for payback, and now we are surprised they have turned around and are using the very skills and equipment we gave them against us? They have played this game for two thousand years, and we should have known better. It’s history, man, history. The only way not to repeat the same mistakes is to learn from it, and not play the game as the world’s policeman.

So go ahead, burn a Koran and post it online. I suppose if you had lived in during WWI, you would have given up sauerkraut and hamburgers—that will show the Kaiser! Or in WW2, cheered as Japanese Americans were ripped from their homes and businesses and sent to internment camps. Take that ToJo!

You really think these patriotic histrionics will intimidate the radicals? Cow them, show them we mean business? Riiiight. But they will not come here to take you out. They already have access our troops over there. Why waste a plane ticket to find you, when they can kill one of our soldiers, which cost us a million bucks to replace him and send his remains home in a box? They may be vicious child raping scum bags, but they are smart enough to fight on their terms, not ours.

Seriously, why all this hedging about the real goal—that Ms. Barnhardt and others like you want to give American Muslims an ultimatum—Renounce your faith, leave, or die. That can only be the natural end result of this. Make American Muslims register and wear a badge like the Jews in Nazi Germany. C’mon, you cannot possibly feel safe unless this happens, because you’ll always be looking over your shoulder after provoking them again and again with this rhetoric. So be honest, isn't this want you really want?


April 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM  
Blogger Concerned American said...


Other than your bald assertion, what facts do you have to support your claim that islam is just a "boogeyman"?

April 6, 2011 at 7:27 PM  
Anonymous Kerodin said...


"Mind your own business" is precisely the premise under which the republic and our Citizens should operate in all matters. But that we would...

I also operate under a Common Sense premise that goes something like this: Build a time machine, send me back and I'll choke baby Hitler to death in his crib.

Send me further, I'll choke Mo', too.

Add Mao and Stalin to my list of 4 dead babies, and how many lives were spared?

Wow - can't we all see the headlines tomorrow? "Kerodin is a baby-killer, too!"

Liberty simply can not exist as a half-truth.

Either we are at Liberty, or not.

Islam, Communism, the American Political Class and every other flavor of tyranny strive to destroy Liberty.

The choice is simple: Liberty or not.

When others refuse to "mind their own business" they get smacked...hard enough to make them mind their own business.


April 6, 2011 at 9:05 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Concerned American,

straight from the horse's mouth: fatwas. The Muslims that hate "us" don't do so because we're infidels, or rich or free. They hate our government for intervening in their sovereign affairs and killing their loved ones. Our government and others use Islam to monger fear for their advantage.

That said, I can't imagine burning Koran's endears us to Muslims in general. Who knows, perhaps we'll succeed in making them hate us because we're infidels.

April 6, 2011 at 10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ann, do you have sister who is single and as much of a woman as you?
I want to meet you and her.
The pink m4 needs to go, as a digital cammo AR-10 is a better weapon, other than that she is great.

I don't have a video camera, and will not post on Youtube, because of the Google link crap. However I will try to get a Koran burning going here in Kentucky.

April 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM  
Anonymous Doc Enigma said...

The largest Muslim community outside the Middle East is attributed to be the greater Dearborn, Michigan area.

For the most part, the citizens there leave folks alone, and that's fine, especially if that's all there was to it.

What's not fine is that there are documented cases of public organizations (police, for one) not complying with US and Michigan Constutitonal law in favor of the predominant group. And these cases continue to grow in frequency. Court cases have been litigated and won against these practices, but it does not deter them from happening.

There are also demonstrable evidences of purposeful 'non-assimilation' by this population into American life: Street signs in Arabic, etc. An English speaking American will have difficulty navigating through Dearborn on business in more than just a few isolated instances. The culture is highly disrespectful to even secular Americans in practice.

As Islam calls for the forced conversion of all other peoples and faiths in the world through the Koran and the Hadiths, it can be logically argued that Islam is, in fact, an enemy to a culture that promotes freedom of religion and speech, let alone the equality of mankind.

Of their own writings, statements, and practices do they find themselves suspect.

If they left folks alone and obeyed the law of the land (the Constitution), no problem. Peace and prosperity. However, they do not, unless they do not see any advantage for doing so.

Make no mistake, these facts are not prejudice toward Arabic people. These facts are indictments against a theo-political-economic system bent on domination of free societies everywhere.

Is it a bogey-man? No. Is it a self-declared enemy of the Constitution? Yes.

Result: Enemy of the United States.

Logic. Reason.

April 6, 2011 at 10:15 PM  
Blogger Alan W. Mullenax said...

I'm really diggin' this.

I believe it can be done. And in a big way.

I would like to help.

At the moment, I can only say that I will do my best to haul as many south Floridians as i can to the event if in fact it does take place.

April 7, 2011 at 12:37 AM  
Anonymous Mark Matis said...

Hey, Taqiyya. That is ALL one needs to know about Islam. Of course, there is at least ONE OTHER group in the US who also can practice Taqiyya without sanction. I think you know who THEY are. The stench is overwhelming.

April 7, 2011 at 3:12 AM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

Barnhardt just got an (indirect) instapundit link:


April 7, 2011 at 3:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CA asks Doug: "Other than your bald assertion, what facts do you have to support your claim that islam is just a "boogeyman"?"

Do the two of you share the same definition for the concept "offensive military power projection capability"? If not, you need to square that first before you can have this discussion. After Heinlein visited the Soviet Union, he wrote that Moscow must have been much weaker than advertised, because the barge traffic on the river wouldn't support the claimed population. He said he had military friends who went to "war college", where they were trained to evaluate military capabilities just like that. CA, can you fill out war college military capability worksheets for the USA vs. any flavor of Islam?

April 7, 2011 at 6:05 AM  
Blogger Concerned American said...

Your question assumes that OMPPC is the right metric.

By that metric, we won in Vietnam.

For soft societies (such as the USA of 2011), soft power is decisive.

April 7, 2011 at 6:20 AM  
Anonymous Doc Enigma said...


You are correct; there are moral truths in life.

However, consider that in your example (and no, I don't think we'll see headlines of "Kerodin the Baby Killer") of going back in time to strangle Mao, Hitler, or whomever, that your academic solution is, in fact, immoral.

A babe in a crib or in its mothers arms, or anywhere else, is what we recognize as "innocence", having no blame or guilt.

So, strangling them to save the 'countless millions' that perished from the adult those babes grew into is not a moral action; it is expedient justification of murder from a collectivist viewpoint: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

A moral action, using your example, would be to go back in time, take the child in question and raise it with values indicative of the Judeo-Christian ethic espoused by the Founders.

Why? Your example would allow the reader to infer that the concept of pre-destination overrides all other environmental factors and therefore there is no reason to spare the children in the academic exercise you posed, let alone the concept of 'free will'.

Many behavioral studies indicate that children learn their values at a very early age based upon what they experience from the nuclear family, or lack thereof.

The premise you offer is flawed, and does indicate a propensity for immoral violence against non-combatants, which I don't believe you actually operate from, if what your writings indicate.

Lastly, Islam is, in fact, a 'religion' as defined in anyone's dictionary. That its practices are questionable; that its aim is to dominate the world is abominable is beyond question. But it is a religion.

Logic. Reason. Facts. Isn't that what you subscribe to?

April 7, 2011 at 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Defensive ejection of a colonial invader" requires a far lower military capability level than "being a colonial invader". Vietnam, Afghanistan, and backward Islamic societies in the Middle East possess "defensive ejection of a colonial invader" capability but not "being a colonial invader". Takeover of the US via court decisions respecting Sharia requires "being a colonial invader" capability, which Islam does not possess.

Islam, eco-green, liberal-socialist, neocon-permanent-war and all other middle-class-can't-get-ahead regulation schemes are all stalking horses for first-world fascistic interests which DO have the "being a colonial invader" capability. The American military-industrial complex CAN spend a billion dollars on a domestic wiretapping infrastructure to suppress dissent and free enterprise.

"By that metric, we won in Vietnam."

"Defensive ejection of a colonial invader" produces an eventual win over "being a colonial invader" if the invaded population is committed. Seeing the invader as from the outside helps commitment. This favored Vietnam and disfavors the US when US legislators look and sound American. Delivering the anti-freedom regulation in the form of Sharia from outside rather than Democrat or Republican from American-sounding politicians inside, favors US freedom. Invasion by UN blue helmets is the extreme case of favoring US freedom.

April 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM  
Blogger Flyover Pilgrim said...


**Muslims that hate "us" don't do so because we're infidels, or rich or free. They hate our government for intervening in their sovereign affairs and killing their loved ones.**

You need to read more history, sir. Muslims have been hating the infidel much longer than there has been a United States of America. Go read T Jefferson's stance on Barbary Pirates (aka Muslims). Read what they did in the Jewish and Christian Holy Lands. Read what they did in Africa (who do you think stole, raped, and sold those slaves to the West?) Read what they did to the Greeks and Macedonians...enslaved the children, trained them as elite fighters (ever heard of the Janessaries?) to fight against their own people.

Research, before ignorance.

April 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Kerodin said...


My reference was drawing a parallel between the known facts of evil in our history and the known fact that the intent of Islam is the same.

I would agree that killing a baby today based on what he might do is immoral. Going back to a specific point to kill a baby who we know, absent any other change, will grow up and do great evil is different.

I have no idea what caused a Hitler, for example, to be the evil SOB he became. Did mommy diddle him? Did daddy humiliate him? Or was it some brief encounter later in life that turned his thought process? Or, was he born evil? I cannot know if raising a baby Hitler differently would change anything about his nature - he might just smother me in my sleep and run the Nazi Party anyway, despite my intervention.

I cannot know the answer, but in an instant, standing beside his crib, I know I would be able to save millions and millions of folks who did not deserve to die by his actions as an adult.

You may be right. I may be offending the ultimate power of the universe...but I'd take that chance.

And while not every Muslim is bent on world domination, I do not see them throwing themselves in front of suicide bombers who act in their name. They are one Tribe, and they see themselves as one Tribe.

I cannot agree that Islam is a legitimate religion, of a practical, benefit to mankind sort. But setting the label aside, their actions and beliefs are tyrannical and antithetical to Liberty.

Whether a group follows the Koran, the Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, or the perverted interpretations of the US Constitution that we suffer today from our Political Class is immaterial to their position regarding Liberty.

They are opposed.

Liberty simply cannot coexist with Tyranny. I stand with Liberty and opposed to anyone and everyone who would impose infringements. My religion is Liberty.

Reason. Logic and Common Sense must walk as one.


April 7, 2011 at 9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"I have no idea what caused a Hitler, for example, to be the evil SOB he became."

Kerodin says

"I have no idea what caused a Hitler, for example, to be the evil SOB he became."

Hitler would have gone down as a no-nothing agitator if not for the harsh conditions of the Versailles treaty, as well as a six month blockade of Germany after the war, that resulted in many deaths by starvation of German civilians. The bitterness and anger over the undue harsh treatment of the Brits and French created a ripe situation for him to exploit. Radicals win the attention of ordinary people when they are constantly pushed into a corner, and become desperate for solutions.

If the US had minded its own business, and stayed out of the WWI, the European nations would have fought to a bloody draw. The Germans had already shot their bolt after the Ludendorff offensive, and no way was France in danger of losing Paris. In time, with or without US aid and troops, Germany would have collapsed internally. But it would have survived well enough to laugh off a madman like Hitler.

But instead, we helped former empires who stupidly brought a world war upon themselves because some minor duke of no consequence got ‘off’d, setting of knee jerk reactive mobilizations that became a life of their own. And what did the US gain? A bunch of coffins sent home. France and the other Europeans scooped up Germany’s territories and colonies around the world. Even progressive liberal Wilson was appalled with the harsh Versailles treaty—He got played as a patsy, and our young men paid the butcher’s bill in the mud of the trenches. The “war to end all wars” gave Europe the chance to be stupid all over again, and create the conditions to permit yet another world war.

And who came to their rescue again? Us. And what did we get out of it? Uncle Joe Stalin and a Cold War. It just gets better and better every time we fight overseas, doesn’t it?

If we had not got involved in Afghanistan in the 1980’s helping the insurgents against the Soviets, --- remember, it was all about payback against the USSR, and less than feeling sorry for the Afghans--- Bin Laden would have nothing to convert radicals to his side griping about the West--Because we would not be there in his backyard. Out of sight is out of mind.

Instead, as Mark Twain once said, no good deed goes unpunished, and we are reaping the whirlwind of what we have sown, all for the sake of good intentions of trying to make the world safe for democracy. We need to only worry about making one place safe—and that’s in the physical borders of America.

So wishing for a time machine to kill singular people like Hitler will not stop history's consequences--There are a thousand like him ready to take his place. The answer is for nations to mind their own business, and stay out of tar pits and hornets nests around the world, lest they bring them home.


April 8, 2011 at 1:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1993 an FBI informant, Emad Salem, was snitching on a group of radical Muslims. --- After FBI direction a bomb was designed, built, and packed in a van. The informant gave the scheduled time, place, and date for detonation to the FBI. The van rolled freely into the underground parking area of the world trade center on February 26, 1993 and then exploded.

Unbeknownst to the FBI, Emad Salem had recorded the agents instruction - totaling over 100 hours.

Not one FBI agent has been charged with any crime.


I won't even go into the Iranian overthrow in 1954 and the Hostages later taken in '79.


Why did I post this?

Because you folks appear to have fallen prey to the propaganda.

Its OUR government that has fomented the muslim hatred over the past 50 years. The feds covert intervention in the middle east has created "Blowback".

Read Michael Scheuer's book "Blowback"

Who is Michael Scheuer?????

From WIKI:

Michael F. Scheuer (born 1952[1]).

.... formerly an intelligence officer at the Central Intelligence Agency. In his 22-year career, he served as the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka "Alec Station"), from 1996 to 1999, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center. He then worked again as Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004.


WRSA reader and supporter(from the beginning)

PS- Stop all muslim immigration and stop all Middle eastern heavy handed intervention(socio-political/economic). Do that and our Muslim problems will go away.

PPS- Ann needs a grown man to spank her bottom black and blue for her child like tirade - ---Grow up Ann.

April 8, 2011 at 3:41 AM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Flyover Pilgrim,

A history of aggression is not the same as aggression and does not justify aggression on our part. When Muslims go on the offensive against us, by all means, keep shooting until they catch fire or change shape. Until then, leave them the devil alone.

April 8, 2011 at 6:03 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

I would like to apologize for my personal attacks on Ms. Barnhardt. I strongly disagree with her solution to the Muslim "problem", but that's no excuse for my childish comments regarding her lack of intelligence.

April 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM  
Anonymous Doug said...

Doc Enigma,

the problems you describe in Dearborn sound like they're related to law-enforcement, not Islam.

April 9, 2011 at 1:19 AM  

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