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Friday, May 7, 2010

Fjordman: Can We Coexist with the Left?

From Denmark's Europe News, via Gates of Vienna:

The American writer Lawrence Auster had a debate with his readers regarding the possibility of splitting the USA along ideological lines. According to reader Tim W, modern Left liberalism is a universal totalitarian ideology, not a “live and let live” concept.

The goal of its adherents is a world government from which no one can escape. Leftists need conservatives but conservatives don’t need leftists. To be blunt, they can’t let us go. We’d be happy to be rid of them, because to us they’re nothing but parasites and/or oppressors. But they can’t get rid of us because we do most of the work, pay most of the taxes, provide the stability and morality that allow their depravity to thrive with less damaging results. Furthermore, the white conservative population is the buffer protecting white liberals from the minorities.

A number of commentators questioned the viability of such a political division. Muslims believe not only that Islam is the best religion, but that it is the only true religion and that all people must be brought into its fold. Likewise, Leftists sincerely believe that Leftism is the only valid ideology, and that the whole world must be brought under its heel. Just like the very existence of self-governed communities outside of Islamic rule is considered an intolerable act of aggression by devout Muslims, so the existence of self-governed non-Leftist communities anywhere, at least if they happen to be white, is unacceptable to Leftist True Believers. They don’t just want to rule themselves; they want to rule everybody else as well.

Good arguments were presented in favor of secession, but opponents point out that attempted partition would likely trigger coercion and force when the ruling oligarchs fear losing control. If the Left sees everything it has promoted for generations about to be overturned it might resort to violence. Above all, opponents questioned whether the whole idea of “just wanting to be left alone” is defeatist and leaves the opponents with the initiative. Perhaps the battle cannot be won until we go on the offensive and take the ideological war to the enemy.

As reality is now, whites are considered potential extremists merely for existing, whereas the most revolting non-white organizations imaginable go free. For example, groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which has the stated goal of destroying Western civilization, are labeled “moderates,” whereas whites who want an immigration policy that prevents such people from settling in their countries are demonized as “racist extremists” by the media...

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Blogger sofa said...

Coexistence doesn't work for marxists. Consider Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro.

Coexistence doesn't work for Islam. Never. Ever.

The West doesn't coexist well either; ask an american indian.

Historically 'co-existence' marks periods where the sides are arming in preparation for the next surge.


May 7, 2010 at 3:29 AM  
Blogger Kevin Patrick said...

But where do you divide the line? To I have to leave all my property because most of the states which border me are leftist? Are we all heading to Idaho?

I'm an Appalachian, then I'm a West Virginian, then I'm an American. In that order.

Do I have to leave kith and kin, where my family has been since they left Ireland and Scotland?

I'm not sure how that'd work. I do agree, we are two nations with one country, but I don't know what to do about it...


May 7, 2010 at 3:36 AM  
Blogger Longbow said...

I have been saying this for years. This invasion of our country, by a foreign nation from the south, is National Policy.

May 7, 2010 at 3:36 AM  
Anonymous aughtsix said...

Death to the Left.

Death to Socialism.

Death to Islam.

Pardon the redundancy.

If Liberty and Western culture are to survive and prosper, we must WIN the damned war.



May 7, 2010 at 4:50 AM  
Blogger Kevin Patrick said...

It's not about religion.

It's individualism vs. collectivism. Liberty vs. tyranny. I've found most people don't want actual Liberty, they just want their own tyrannies in place. They want to turn their religion into the law of the land, or make how they choose to live their lives be the only allowable way.

Which is a shame really, because that means after we fight the honest, upfront, overt collectivists... we'll have to fight them too.


May 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM  
Anonymous chiltop@verizon.com said...

The war has alreay been decided..

May 8, 2010 at 12:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I take issue with that"the war has already been decided" comment.

The "war" really hasn't started yet so how can it already be "decided?"

The left is still a long, long way from accomplishing their goals and after the Nov. elections, we will start dismantling most of what they've done in the past.


May 8, 2010 at 6:28 PM  
Anonymous Paul X said...

This article is rubbish. In fact it is collectivist thinking.

"The Left" is not some uniform blob of pod people. They are individuals just like everybody else. Yeah there may be some who intend to parasitize the conservatives or the bourgeoisie or whatever. But there are plenty of live and let live leftists too. And indeed, there are a lot of conservatives who are far from live and let live - witness the war on drugs, a conservative invention.

The world is not properly divided into leftists and conservatives. It is divided into statists and freedom lovers. There are both leftists and conservatives in each of these categories. By beating this old tired left vs. right horse, the author is just regurgitating state propaganda themes intended to divide freedom lovers.

May 12, 2010 at 3:13 AM  
Anonymous Ed Foster said...

We can't checkerboard the country with mini-statelets, so just let the coastal cities go. Tell them they're not getting another penny from the Federal government, and they're free to seperate and become Monaco to our France.

They can form their own little socialist paradises. Start with San Francisco and they'll jump at the chance. No military, politically sensative cops, universal everything, they'll love it.

And they'll never think about what happens to defenseless utopias until it's too late. And I wouldn't care, would you?

Things are so close to the balance point that the removal of only a few cities will cripple the American left and force them to co-opt the independents, moving the Dems from leftist to libertarian.

The liberals are leftists, but they are also libertines. Losing the one would lead them to re-emphasising the other. It might be interesting to watch.

Picture an America without San Francisco or L.A., perhaps New York, and, hallelujah, no Chicago.

Throw in a Civil Service reduced to 800,000 from it's present 2,000,000 and we could maintain essential Federal services and eliminate the income tax. Local taxes would go up from their present fiveish percent to nine plus, but be more than offset by the elimination of twenty-eight percent federal taxes.

Don't leave them, and abandon tens of millions of Americans to the British pretentions of America's left wingers.

Encourage them to leave us. A coastal city like San Francisco or Chicago (St. Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic) has no innate need of continental America, a place they never really assimilated into.

And they certainly have nothing but contempt for our individualist values and capitalistic work ethic.

Withhold any money to them, or any of the states for that matter, and 'Frisco would be gone in a flash. Probably followed quite closely by Portland and L.A.

How we would get rid of New Orleans is beyond me. Once the welfare stopped, the place wouldn't be safe even for an army to enter.

May 12, 2010 at 3:15 AM  

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