Sultan Knish: Bin Laden Is Winning
Read and think.
The only tweak I'd make to Greenfield's piece is to change his thesis to "Islam is winning". OBL ain't either the point or the spear.
Islam, on the other hand, is both.
Got into a nasty wordfest with an old friend on the topic last week. He heard me negating (not that I was) his son's courage and that of his comrades in Afghanistan (the son was a M240 gunner who caught a round in the plate and lost much function in his trigger hand from another round when his team took heavy fire).
Let me clear: the soldiers, Marines, and other US personnel in the Islamic Wars are doing their damnedest in almost-impossible political conditions. Their courage and devotion to duty is commendable in the extreme.
But the grand strategy in which they are deployed is utterly FUBAR.
The Muslim Bad People (MBP) will always have the following advantages over the US forces deployed across the dar al-Harb and the dar al-Islam:
1) The MBP are willing to do anything and use any means necessary to achieve their strategic objectives. Pretty good ROEs there, compared to Team America and its lawyers.
2) The majority of the world's media and governments are already in the pocket of Allah, either by shared sympathies for the West's destruction and/or through the efficacy of Muslim violence described previously.
3) Most importantly, the MBP are fighting in their own backyards (at least relatively). An arithmetic exercise, if you would:
- Ask yourself what is cost per day to keep one American fighting man deployed in theatre.
- Then multiply that number times the number of troops deployed.
- Now add the costs of all of the support and ancillary services.
- Finally, ask how much longer the bankrupt USA can afford to send Big Army, the USMC, the USAF, air elements of the US Navy, and all of their respective logistics and contractor trains throughout Islamia.
Quick answer? Not very damned long.
The hardest thing for folks to wrap their brains around?
Team America is actually fighting in support of sharia in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Take the time to read the governing documents of those benighted places; see particularly Article Two of both the Iraqi and Afghan constitutions:
Iraqi Constitution
Afghani Constitution
That's what your taxes and your descendants' debt burden are supporting.
That's what the US .mil is fighting to support.
Do you understand yet?
posted by Concerned American | 11:33 PM
17 Comments:
Loud and clear.
Well said, and thanks for the resources.
I've had many similar disagreements. I live in an Army town, and tensions sometimes get high.
Ah, oh well. Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
AP
The problem is Islam and, in second place, is Zionism.
They're both dangerous, have killed thousands of Americans, and may yet kill millions.
Pat:
Authority for your claims re Zionism, please.
Ah, an appeal for me to appeal to authority, I see.
Every American soldier that has died in Afghanistan and Iraq, died for the Zionist state.
When one looks at the deaths caused to Iraqi's, well over one million from Desert Storm to today, all for Israel, there's simply no doubt about who's at fault.
Read "The Israel Lobby", "The Politics of Anti-Semitism", Beyond Chutzpah", and a number of other well researched sources. You may wish to watch The Israel Lobby if you have not already done so. If Richard Perle doesn't make your skin crawl, I don't know what will.
There is simply no room for doubt.
If Israel uses nuclear weapons on a neigboring state, after all they've killed tens of thousands of those living nearby, we'll be viewed as their accomplice, and rightly so.
Authority for your claims re Zionism, please.
He's an anti-Semite. There.
Pat H. gets his ideas from Herr Goebbels and Co. This guy will never change his tune, it's always the Jooooos. Pats' authority is located in Mein Kampf.
Got to learn who the enemy really is, rather than listen to the enemy tell us he's not the enemy.
Shy III
why skip straight to article 2? read the preamble and the first 3 articles for Afghanistan's constitution:
1)With firm faith in God Almighty and relying on His mercy, and Believing in the Sacred religion of Islam,
4) While acknowledging the sacrifices and the historic struggles, rightful Jehad and resistance of the Nation, and respecting the high position of the martyrs for the freedom of Afghanistan
Or, if you want to continue, Article 1: Afghanistan is an Islamic Republic independent, unitary and indivisible state.
2: The religion of Afghanistan is the sacred religion of Islam. Followers of other religions are free to perform their religious rites within the limits of the provisions of law.
3: In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the sacred religion of Islam and the values of this Constitution.
So what provisions does islam have for other religions? oh yeah, force them to submit to islam or kill them... let me rush right over there to get my afghan citizenship
"Team America is actually fighting in support of sharia in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I used to say I helped liberate a country (Kuwait) after the 1st Gulf War.
Now that I know what Islam is, I realize I did nothing of the sort.
And Pat H., have you been reading "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" or something? There would never have been "Zionism" if Islam hadn't come along.
Did you read the article? The US is installing Sharia! How does that benefit Zionism or Israel?
And your numbers are ridiculous.
If Israel does use nukes, it'll be to prevent another Holocaust.
And I, for one, would take great pride in being an accomplice to such an act. In fact, I think it's loooong overdue.
Anti-Semite claims are, of course, bunk. The use of "Anti-Semite" claims is well covered by The Politics of Anti-Semitism, a collection of articles mainly written by Jews to expose how this fraudulent claim is frequently thrown about to prevent any discussion of the negative impact caused by Israel. This is also thoroughly discussed in The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering by Norman G. Finkelstein. Yes, Prof. Finkelstein is a Jew.
Next, all Jews are not Zionists, in fact among the 21 to 35 year old Jews in America, about two-thirds do not support Israel and the funding thereof. I expect that to increase as the collapse of the US government proceeds.
As for Mein Kampf, while I know what it is and who wrote it, I've never, in fact, read it. I've never read that "other" collectivist treatise written by that wonderful Jewish scholar, Karl Marx, either.
So, again, the problem is well and truly expanding Islam AND the problem is also Zionism and that gang of organized, illegal, European immigrant, criminals that calls itself the Israeli government.
Arabs are also descendants of Shem, and hence, are also semites. So you can knock that off right away.
Second, one can have no problems with Jews, and every problem in the world with the State of Israel. I do not support any State, including the State of Israel. I have no problem with Jews qua Jews. Except of course, for the fact that I think they've missed the boat with the whole Jesus thing. But then, so have a lot of "Christians."
There is no divine mandate to support the continued existence of a State created in 1947. Let alone any other State.
Amen, Mr. Brass, Amen.
Great, now the Jew-haters are high-fiving each other. And they have managed to steer the discussion with that hate. Sad. Even if there where no Jews, and the State of Israel had never, ever existed, Islam would still be a problem. In fact, it would probably be much more 'our' problem than it is now, what with them not being distacted by the fight against Israel.
Of course, then Pat H would have to find a different outlet for his hate, maybe gays, or gypsies.
Got a couple of candidates for guard positions at Auschwitz here. When you Jew-haters set out to do your thing, you'll find me standing in your way. Bring it on.
Back to the original topic (now that the Abe Foxmans on this blog have had their say), which is that Bin Laden is winning, which is indeed true.
The reason he's winning is that the US government is paving the way for a win. Continuous warfare overseas which kills thousands of young Americans for absolutely no reason; murders millions of people, almost all either Christians (in Serbia and Lebanon) or Muslims (Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya). Creating thousands of anti-American soldiers.
The US government is bin Laden's best weapon. I don't expect that to change.
Sean, Anonymous,
Did you just miss what I wrote? You have got to be kidding me.
"Jew haters," "Auschwitz guards?" Insane. You've obviously never read anything I've ever written.
Jesus Christ himself was a Jew. I will state again (though they have ears, and hear not, to cite a Jewish guy) that I have no problem with Jews qua Jews. But all States can go to hell and burn, for all I care. There are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews out there, if you'll look around.
I believe in the principle of non-aggression. You won't find me exterminating anyone because of what he believes.
You're tilting at windmills, gentleman. I can tell it makes you feel righteous to do so.
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