Denninger: Reefer Madness
KD points to an article advocating the opening of a new front in the Forever War, followed by his discussion of how Americans completely lost their sanity on the drug question.
As Billy Beck has noted, you simply do not get to where we are in militarized-police, checkpoints-and-crotch-frisking, cringing America today without the Nixon Drug War.
Long before the GWoT, the WoD provided the motivation for much of the expansion of Federal funding for local law enforcement.
Results after forty years?
Failure.
More drugs, at lower prices, with more addicts than ever before.
So sure, let's go invade Mexico.
That'll fix it.
Madness.
Sheer, bloody madness.
posted by Concerned American | 6:24 AM
14 Comments:
If the government was SERIOUS about the war on drugs, they could have won it VERY quickly and easily. Unfortunately, they NEVER chose to wage it. Check your crime stats. The VAST majority of REAL crime in this country is committed by drug users. Looking to get the moola to get their drugs. Or bombed out of their minds ON drugs. Take THEM off the streets and you REALLY protect the citizenry, and SOLVE the drug problem. Drug dealers are in the business to make money. If their customers are in jail where they belong, you AREN'T going to have ANYBODY dealing drugs. Problem solved! Yet would the politicians and pigs do THAT? HELL NO! That would not be appropriately multicultural and diverse of us! So instead they go after the "dealers", thereby raising the price of the drugs and getting the heads to commit MORE crimes against the citizenry. Remember the good ol' law of supply and demand? Drive down demand, and prices drop and suppliers go out of business? Drive down supply, and the suppliers make a bunch of $$$. Can you guess what the pigs decided to do? Quelle surprise!
Only way I see them invading mexico is if the cartels committed a major mass (innocent American civilian) casualty act on US soil. Without that, the public has absolutely no appetite for it. Bush went into Iraq with 65% or so public support. Afghanistan and Gulf War 1 had slightly higher support, I remember. I don't see a Mexican invasion getting the neccessary support without some major event changing things.
I agree, sheer bloody madness. But after all that has happened, and the road to ruin that we are on, what in hell is the alternative? Mexico, because of the madness there, is slowly turning the US into a third world shithole like itself, aided and abbetted by the multi-culti, communist, Islam loving jackasses parading around DC, telling us that all is well. Unable to maturely come to grips with it's own problems, because it is being run into the ground by morons, the US is almost doomed to going to war with Mexico at some point, if you view the "leadership" we have now, through historic lenses. Piss poor leadership in nations causes them to stumble into catastrophic wars,(Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet-Nam) and just as often in history, abolishes them. Mexico, like Austria-Hungary to Germany in WW1, is the corpse shackled to the US. Nominal allies now, graveyards tommorrow. Can't be avoided, and won't be. It remains for the individual to find ways of keeping out of the approaching shit-storm.
Invading Mexico would likely drive the final nails in the coffin into which the US government has climbed.
Let's support that.
Seriously, the road to the idea of a War of Invasion of Mexico is insane, much less the idea itself.
On too many levels to list.
Mark,
No offense but did you even read the article? The exact situation that you profess is what IS HAPPENING! The US has the highest prision population in the world (as in over all the others combined). This is a result of the very strategy that you advocate. We have been locking up the "customers" for at least a decade or more. This has given us the war on freedom that we suffer under. The DEA and local cops have been attacking the source and the customers and they have made absolutly no dent in the cost of the drugs. The cost of drugs has not gone up it has gone down (as the article states). You cannot drive down the demand and in fact it is not the place of the government to be driving the demand of any product up or down. Its not any of the governments business what anyone puts into their bodies unless they commit harm on another via force or fraud while doing so.
Or system of justice must be based on punishing those who have commited harm to an actual victim not those who have harmed "the State".
Freedom means being free to be a dumbass Freedom means that you have to put up with people being dumbasses as long as they do not directly harm you or your family.
If you cant deal with that then make sure that you have picked the correct side when the shooting starts.
Grenadier1
Mr. Matis, you couldn't be more wrong.
The vast majority of crime in America is committed by governments, not individuals.
Legal drugs are far more dangerous than drugs which have unConstitutionally been made illegal. Remember, the US government has NO authority to make any thing illegal, never have, likely never will.
Your tolerance for illegal government activities are a huge problem in America; from lives lost, to lives ruined and crimes committed by government.
Prohibition only works if tyranny is the goal. Forbidden fruit, and all that. Half of those surveyed have at least tried marijuana. There would never be enough prisons, at least I hope not.
Prisoners brew vodka from potato skins, by the way. People are inventive.
Drug use isn't going to go away. The best we can do is let those determined to destroy their lives do so privately, cheaply and without resorting to violence to pay for it. Legalize the sh--.
The war on drugs is the war on privacy is the war on guns and liberty.
Don't worry, only about seven percent of voters seem to agree with me. The surveillance and control state is in no danger. Those who want to use it against "those other people" and their "imaginary rights" have plenty of time.
Sorry, Mark. MOST of the VIOLENT crime is committed by gang members - a majority of whom live in "public" housing. It's WELFARE more than drugs that supports the gangs that cause the problems.
Try to put aside the emotion and THINK.
What more basic Liberty could possibly exist than to decide what to do with one's own body?
If the .gov can tell me "no pot!" -- for my own good, naturally -- then why can it not tell me "No trans-fats"?
Where does this end?
In my specific case - chronic, intolerable pain - they say "no pot!" - which would make the pain tolerable and encourage me to eat, relax cramped muscles, etc.
Instead, they say "Here's some dangerous opiates!" - which cause nausea, constipation you can't imagine, and a host of other ills I can't fit in the limits of this comment post.
Cui bono?
Sure as hell not ME.
Now...
Would I smoke the pot if I could? I'm honestly not sure -- but I'm sure as I can be that if I were TRULY in "the land of the free" the choice would be MINE!
If you're concern is for morality, or "good of society", then we SHOULD ban the substance that causes more ill than any other: Alcohol.
Would you support Prohibition 3.0?
Free your mind.
THINK - don't feel.
Though I despise drug dealers (including the ones in suits we call "big pharma") I believe free people should be free to make bad choices, and LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
What we have today is tyranny - and it has crept upon us under the guise of a "war on drugs." Learn the true history - when you understand what's really been happening as a result of this failed "war" you'll either support ending it or prove yourself as intellectually-dishonest as our Collectivist enemy.
DD
The "nanny-state" must go.
DD
The opiums, heroins, and cocaines of the world are agricultural products. They take about as much processing of the source plants as table sugar, so their retail cost should be similar. Marijuana grows like a weed, and should cost even less. You could grow it in your backyard.
If drugs cost a dollar a pound like sugar, junkies would not steal to get them. Part of why government has made drugs expensive is to motivate junkies to commit crimes for drugs. Then the government gets to do the makework of playing cops and robbers. To keep the game going, the robbers are released after they are caught.
Simple: Death for anyone caught and convicted of selling drugs. Make it justifiable for a parent to shot and kill anyone selling drugs to their children.
Bill Hicks famously said that if it were left up to him to legalize a drug, it sure wouldn't have been alcohol.
No rational discussion about drug policy can be had without addressing alcohol. With the possible exception of methamphetamine, alcohol is more destructive to society than all other "drugs" combined.
Alcohol is immediately poisonous to every tissue in the body. From drunk driving to esophageal and liver cancer, it kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. There have been approximately zero deaths linked to cannabis consumption. The longevity of our current drug policy speaks to the effectiveness of propaganda.
Here's an example: Drugs and Alcohol. Each of us has seen that in the news many times. Is alcohol not a drug? Of course it is, just like cannabis, morphine, cocaine, and caffeine.
You will be tested for ... nicotine.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-hospital-bans-smoking-workers-20101210,0,5682228.story
"Only" 250 applicants out of 15,000 were eliminated when they tested positive for tobacco use. (Probably 15,000 applying for 100 jobs, the way the economy is.) Can't even smoke at home on your day off.
My mother died of lung cancer after 40 years of smoking and five years after she quit. But I still do not support health-nazism.
People with allergies miss a couple more days of work a year than people without. They can test for that. Where will they stop?
They won't. Not as long as people encourage them.
There is a reason why weed smokers are banned from most of the good jobs in America (President not included, so many of our Presidents were druggies in college, might explain why we are fucked up).
The drug war is pure bullshit just like Prohibition, if we want results then we are going to accept vigilantism. I mean, if there was a meth lab next door, I think we know what we would do.
Most of these comments are obviously made by brainwashed shitheads - brainwashed by the same government you profess to hate.
I've been smoking pot for 40 years and I have a BS in Electrical Engineering.
Pot is about as dangerous as beer.
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