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Monday, December 13, 2010

Fight The Premise

Kerodin reminds all that it's not the horses that are the problem -- it's the folks with the whip who are driving them (or, alternatively, failing to control them).

Horses are, after all, simple and dangerous work engines.

The teamster determines what they pull, where they go, and what they do when they get there.

And they are terribly vulnerable.


Anonymous Brass said...

I'd say it is a poor comparison. Horses are useful for legitimate purposes. Politicians aren't.

December 13, 2010 at 12:50 AM  
Anonymous Justin said...

The question is, who are the teamsters?

Who is controlling THEM?

Teamsters are rather lowly on the scale.

I get your point though.

And horses do make good cover.



December 13, 2010 at 1:53 AM  
Anonymous Mark Matis said...

I suspect this was intended to exonerate "Law Enforcement" for their role in the desecration of the Constitution. Unfortunately, that doesn't work for anyone who bothers to look at the oath of office for "Law Enforcement". EVERY ONE OF THEM has sworn to "...preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution..." Yet we are supposed to praise those few who actually re-take their oath to not violate the 2nd Amendment? Never mind that they won't do the same for the 1st or the 4th.

Damn them to hell for what they've done to this country!

December 13, 2010 at 2:42 AM  
Anonymous Ed said...

Remember, when all fails, you cannot eat your truck or tractor.

December 13, 2010 at 4:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The polititians believe themselves to be the "whip crackers" ,the alphabet agency's,local LEO,military that arent Oath keepers,probably fit the useful but dangerous work eng. role. Just my 2 cents!
Shane M. Ross IIIper

December 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM  
Anonymous Reg T said...

Kerodin says that the politicians are the bottom line - but are they really? We were slightly effective at fighting the politicians this election cycle (but not very, when you consider Reid, Pelosi, Franks and other scum were re-elected in spite of their obvious hatred of all that America used to stand for), but it appears that the Republicans are still going to compromise our rights and our economy away, just as before. Oh, they may try to dress it up, just as the NRA pretends to represent gun owners, but if they don't throw the gauntlet down in January, you might as well forget working within the system. The system is designed to leave you on the outside, looking in.

There is no reason that I can see for not trying to fight the agencies along with those oligarchs who direct them. I think we can all agree it isn't just the politicians. So many of them are ignorant fools who are led by their wallets or their egos to do what the party leadership tells them to do. Fighting the agencies may simply be a holding action, but until the true culprits are identified, swapping one politician for another is basically a fruitless endeavor. Pressuring the agencies has been somewhat successful here in several instances, recently.

Unless the system can be changed, creatures like Soros will continue to purchase those useful fools who serve his purpose, along with their brash, loud-mouthed, arrogant wives vacationing on the plains of Spain. Unless the government delineated in the Articles of the Confederation can be re-implemented, even the Constitution can be twisted and warped just the way Alexander Hamilton and the Federalists planned for it to be.

The only other way that I can see working is to do as Shakespeare said in Henry VI: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." And I would add, "Then let's kill all the Sociology and Political Science Professors." That would at least put a firewall between the Constitution and its enemies.

December 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM  
Anonymous Kerodin said...

Reg T,

"The only other way that I can see working is to do as Shakespeare said in Henry VI: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." And I would add, "Then let's kill all the Sociology and Political Science Professors." That would at least put a firewall between the Constitution and its enemies.

But, we are not doing that, are we? Not one Patriot is out there hunting lawyers, professors, or anyone else. The decision has been taken by Patriots everywhere that a shooting war is not for today.

So that leaves prepping and politics.

Consider the simple numbers: Fighting the various Agencies and Departments pits Patriots against 800,000 badges and guns armed with the color of law, plus about 2 million bureaucrats.

To fight for our side using politicians, we only need to vote 218 folks into the US House like you, CA, and the folks who post on this blog to control the money that funds every bureaucrat, badge and gun.

Looking at the numbers for the
113th Congress - we have 70-150 in Congress who would lean pretty Hard Right if we keep up the pressure - so we really do not have too much further to go.

If we do not suffer a complete collapse before the 2012 elections, and we work our butts off to send another 50+ Hard Right members to the House...consider the possibilities.


December 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Reg T said...


I agree trying to correct Congress is a worthy attempt, although I feel it is doomed to failure, as the politicians are the symptom, not the disease. In so many cases, the bureaucracies control what happens, not Congress. The bureaucrats and their regulations - as at BATF - control whether or not you or I go broke or go to prison, ala Olofson.

Fighting the agencies doesn't necessarily entail fighting the numbers you pose. If the light of day is brought to bear on some of the totally outrageous antics of these agencies, they can sometimes be brought to heel (think cockroaches, not dogs ;-) At least temporarily, while we continue to try to replace the Congressional scum that currently abide.

Of course, the demise of the dollar may trump all attempts to hold the center, but I think we can go at this from both angles (and other avenues as they appear) to our benefit. Don't put all of your eggs, yada, yada.

If and when the center fails, or I develop an incurable and fatal disease, I personally may become a disciple of Shakespearean vengeance, "thinking globally, but acting locally" to paraphrase the Left. Hopefully, others who feel similarly will do likewise. In the meantime, I will vote for those I feel will support the Constitution as it was intended, but I will also support those who target the bureaucracies that ruin our lives with their unlawful regulations and dicta. Does that make a bit more sense?

December 14, 2010 at 4:13 AM  
Anonymous Justin said...


I read your writings and have a lot of respect for your ideas.

You said, "If we do not suffer a complete collapse before the 2012 elections, and we work our butts off to send another 50+ Hard Right members to the House...consider the possibilities."

Here are the possibilities:

Joe Miller, who is not by any means "hard right", in spite of his Tea Party endorsements, was smacked down by the voters. They voted for Lisa Murkowski, the heir-apparent to the Murkowski dynasty, because she BRINGS HOME THE PORK (er...BACON).

Voting will not end this mess, because there are too many monkeys who like things the way they are. Reid was re-elected, for crying out loud. Do you seriously expect me to believe that the same populace who elected Reid in 2010 will vote for people like you, or me, or CA?

Surely you jest.

As things get worse, the people will vote for increasing handouts.

You said, "The decision has been taken by Patriots everywhere that a shooting war is not for today...So that leaves prepping and politics."

Politic away. The people who elected Reid and Murkowski, and the many other enemies of freedom in 2010, will NEVER elect a person approaching a IIIer's politics. Never. For crying out loud, conservatives rejoiced whe SCOTT BROWN was elected!!! Lotta good that did.

It does not matter who is running the agencies. It does not matter who is in DC. The American public will continue to re-elect statists and enemies of freedom. Both parties represent false choices.

Any FreeFor candidates in 2012 will be pummeled by the Dead Elephant Party in the primaries, and finished off by the Jackasses in the run up to the election.

The people want the system they have. We're screwed, so screw politics. Vote if you want, run if you want. It will not change anything. As a wise man once said:


The more and more I consider it, the only hope for this nation as a bastion of individual liberty lies in collapse.

As long as this present system is perpetuated, we will always have 51% voting to steal from the other 49%. Or, more accurately, 97% voting to steal from the 3%.

Having said that, ask: Is what we have then so bad? Realize that to change it will require years of hell and struggle. What we want WILL NOT be voted into being by a dependent, decadent, corpulent electorate. It will only come into being via (1) collapse and rebuilding or through (2) force. Probably both. FreeFor should count the cost of its desired freedom carefully. I personally believe (1) is inevitable and inexorably coming, want it or not.

(2)? We'll see. It's a long way from hearing the keyboard's clicking to hearing bullets whining overhead.

Is the 3per movement reactionary or revolutionary?

Hmm. We'll see, I guess.


December 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM  
Anonymous Kerodin said...

Reg T & Justin,

Thanks for the discussion.

Reg: The bureaucracies do have enormous power...as empowered by politicians. Politicians can make BATFU and others go away with a simple vote.

Of course, getting those politicians in office is the hard part.

To Justin's points: Looking at the roll call of the 113th House, the Right holds the majority and controls the money. Granted, none are "as right" as we'd like, but it is better than the 112th.

If we can simply bring in 50 new Right folks in 2012 that either take a D seat or replace a "less right" R, we begin to clean up the DNA, as it were.

The electorate will vote Right given the proper mood and circumstances, just as they did this cycle. If the economy stays in the toilet (without imploding) the odds are good that the Right will pick up significant seats in both houses next cycle.

I agree with you both - this is all very optimistic on my part. Many stars must align to make it happen. I am a realist, under all my optimism. I am encouraged that even though the Establishment R's still hold disdain for Ron Paul, I don't think he's ever been more accepted than he is today...his views are becoming accepted by more and more people.

Collapse: I also must admit that I think a collapse, as horrible as it would be, is the shortest and most practically viable route back to real Liberty. A collapse would likely mean a significant culling of the herd - we'd lose a lot of the dead weight, to the benefit of us all.

I'll close with this: While I am not willing to abandon politics until I am forced into a bunker, I would advise people to spend their cash on prep, not candidates...unless we have a candidate like CA in a race.

Thanks again for taking the time to discuss.


December 15, 2010 at 5:59 AM  

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