"It has long been my contention that the Liberal/Collectivist who enters a voting booth and pulls a lever in support of Liberal/Collectivist politicians and policies is un-American and an existential threat to the republic."
Voting and politicians itself is Liberal/Collectivist, that's why the Soviet Union made voting mandatory. Voting for the lesser evil to prevent the greater evil is like killing roaches in your kitchen by dropping a five pound paper sack of sugar on them. What is the long-term effect of spilling sugar on the floor?
While this conversation is a little distastefull to have it is one worth having. Again with the CV vs CF. I have a different math to calculate the answer.
Let us divide the population into a few groups. FreeFor- thats us Political class- Those in office and the top management of the bureaucracy. Enforcer class- LEO's Militray class- they enforce OCUS but may or may not be Freefor. Working class- Most adults Student class- Most young adults Mouchers- everyone living off public funds
Now these are prety clear we dont need to get into more details about the make up. Everyone of these classes has a support structure made up of the members and their families or enablers. Some classes enable for other classes, some classes exchange membership and those relationships are the most important. When you begin to draw the connections between the classes you can establish very easily the most significant nodes in the network. With the relationships established you can decide on a strategy. Strategy depends on the goals that you wish to acheive. Any effort that targets nodes that do not contribute to your goal is wasted effort and may result in a negative backlash.
Lets carry th4e Nuclear example of CF/CV into our situation.
Lets us assume that we the FreeFor have excluded a first strike option. So we must wait until the Political class unleashes the LEO's on us before we react. If we follow the CV path and in our crash we attack the Moucher class directly then what will we have acheived? The Mouchers are numerous and movement into this class is unlimited so while we may have for a short time deprived the world of a few drug addicts and welfare queens they will simply be replaced via unemployment or immigration. So wasted effort for FreeFor. If we attack the working class we destroy the value of our society that we are attempting to perserve. A national murder suicide. Again a wasted effort.
As you can see our target options become more clear as the exercise progresses. We must limit action to the nodes that most directly effect us OR we can take action against the connections between nodes and disrupt those connections. Those disruptions may indeed target "innocent" civilians without resulting in casualties. For example The Mouchers depend on the Political class for funds. What if the monthly check for a significant portion of an AO was to not arrive? The Mouchers may very well take to the street and thus provide cover for the FreeFor to act against other targets.
Kerodin's numbers are a factor of ten too pessimistic. 90% of German adults voted for Hitler, yes, but that doesn't mean that 90% were willing to be front-line enforcers with a gun in their hands. Most were only willing to be snitches for the enforcers. If there were no enforcers the snitches would have had little power.
Suppose that after Hitler told six million Jews they were no longer allowed to sell healthcare to willing customers, the Jews said that all government was evil and they were going to ignore all government laws -- no taxes, no permits, no more asking permission to live, and any armed enforcer that bothered them would find themselves on the losing side of a revolutionary war. There would have been no actual revolutionary war, their military strength would have been too large. The state propaganda organs would have worked themselves into a frenzy of condemnation, and the Jews would have laughed at the state's impotence and gone about their lives.
When the backs are finally up against the wall, it will be fascinating to discover what percentage will organize themselves as libertarians, and what percentage will organize themselves as Lincolns, Lenins, and Hitlers.
Of a truth, Hitler never got more than about 43% of the popular vote. That was enough to get him into govt. as Chancellor. He waited around a little while for Hindenbourg to die, then took the office of President, which Hindenbourg had been, and combined it with his own. Then the SS had a Jewish janitor, a congenital idiot, blamed for the Reichstaag, fire and got the Enabling Act passed, which gave Hitler power over everyhing and everybody, at which point he created what is known as the Third Reich.
I can't agree with Sam's math. For one thing, there will be a great die-off of the many who are ignorant of, or not supportive of, our natural rights. If and when it comes to conflict, they will be totally unprepared. They won't survive their local violence - gangs, the individual scum who use social unrest to rape, rob and steal, inability to simply take care of their daily needs - food, water, etc.
Call it a SWAG (Scientific, Wild-Ass Guess), but I doubt if 50% of those folks will survive much past the initiation of hostilities. Many (most?) of any remaining will probably avail themselves of whatever "Emergency Center", DHS detention center, or other facilities that state and Federal agencies have in place. Which will actually make a taret-rich environment for counter-value operations. The few guards necessary for keeping folks within a detention center/Emergency Center will certainly not be enough to repel any kind of force brought to bear from without.
It also would seem to stand to reason that, if the sheep are sequestered in such a manner, those wandering loose are either FreeFor or targets.
Let me go on record with the prediction that most likely there will not be a great die-off in America, and ultimately, after a little rioting, the middle and lower-class parasites will go to work for a living. Everybody is faking their belief in communism, nobody is really that stupid.
If people were truly commies, they would expect the invisible hand of communism to provide them with alcohol and weed. Drugs are sold at every step for whatever the market will bear, and everybody understands how this substantially free market system works. Everybody. All the lefties, all the hippies, all the welfare recipients, all the writers at the New York Times.
Government is the great game by which everybody attempts to live at the expense of everybody else. As long as the NYT can keep the game going by talking it up, they will. But everybody knows the real score. That's why everybody is worried now, they have a true understanding and they recognize it's about to go bust.
Re: III Reloads to Liberty
ReplyDelete"It has long been my contention that the Liberal/Collectivist who enters a voting booth and pulls a lever in support of Liberal/Collectivist politicians and policies is un-American and an existential threat to the republic."
Voting and politicians itself is Liberal/Collectivist, that's why the Soviet Union made voting mandatory. Voting for the lesser evil to prevent the greater evil is like killing roaches in your kitchen by dropping a five pound paper sack of sugar on them. What is the long-term effect of spilling sugar on the floor?
While this conversation is a little distastefull to have it is one worth having. Again with the CV vs CF. I have a different math to calculate the answer.
ReplyDeleteLet us divide the population into a few groups.
FreeFor- thats us
Political class- Those in office and the top management of the bureaucracy.
Enforcer class- LEO's
Militray class- they enforce OCUS but may or may not be Freefor.
Working class- Most adults
Student class- Most young adults
Mouchers- everyone living off public funds
Now these are prety clear we dont need to get into more details about the make up.
Everyone of these classes has a support structure made up of the members and their families or enablers. Some classes enable for other classes, some classes exchange membership and those relationships are the most important.
When you begin to draw the connections between the classes you can establish very easily the most significant nodes in the network.
With the relationships established you can decide on a strategy. Strategy depends on the goals that you wish to acheive. Any effort that targets nodes that do not contribute to your goal is wasted effort and may result in a negative backlash.
Grenadier1
Lets carry th4e Nuclear example of CF/CV into our situation.
ReplyDeleteLets us assume that we the FreeFor have excluded a first strike option. So we must wait until the Political class unleashes the LEO's on us before we react.
If we follow the CV path and in our crash we attack the Moucher class directly then what will we have acheived?
The Mouchers are numerous and movement into this class is unlimited so while we may have for a short time deprived the world of a few drug addicts and welfare queens they will simply be replaced via unemployment or immigration. So wasted effort for FreeFor.
If we attack the working class we destroy the value of our society that we are attempting to perserve. A national murder suicide. Again a wasted effort.
As you can see our target options become more clear as the exercise progresses. We must limit action to the nodes that most directly effect us OR we can take action against the connections between nodes and disrupt those connections. Those disruptions may indeed target "innocent" civilians without resulting in casualties. For example The Mouchers depend on the Political class for funds. What if the monthly check for a significant portion of an AO was to not arrive? The Mouchers may very well take to the street and thus provide cover for the FreeFor to act against other targets.
Grenadier1
BUMPED: http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2011/01/countervalue-targeting.html
ReplyDeleteKerodin's numbers are a factor of ten too pessimistic. 90% of German adults voted for Hitler, yes, but that doesn't mean that 90% were willing to be front-line enforcers with a gun in their hands. Most were only willing to be snitches for the enforcers. If there were no enforcers the snitches would have had little power.
ReplyDeleteSuppose that after Hitler told six million Jews they were no longer allowed to sell healthcare to willing customers, the Jews said that all government was evil and they were going to ignore all government laws -- no taxes, no permits, no more asking permission to live, and any armed enforcer that bothered them would find themselves on the losing side of a revolutionary war. There would have been no actual revolutionary war, their military strength would have been too large. The state propaganda organs would have worked themselves into a frenzy of condemnation, and the Jews would have laughed at the state's impotence and gone about their lives.
When the backs are finally up against the wall, it will be fascinating to discover what percentage will organize themselves as libertarians, and what percentage will organize themselves as Lincolns, Lenins, and Hitlers.
Of a truth, Hitler never got more than about 43% of the popular vote. That was enough to get him into govt. as Chancellor. He waited around a little while for Hindenbourg to die, then took the office of President, which Hindenbourg had been, and combined it with his own. Then the SS had a Jewish janitor, a congenital idiot, blamed for the Reichstaag, fire and got the Enabling Act passed, which gave Hitler power over everyhing and everybody, at which point he created what is known as the Third Reich.
ReplyDeleteI can't agree with Sam's math. For one thing, there will be a great die-off of the many who are ignorant of, or not supportive of, our natural rights. If and when it comes to conflict, they will be totally unprepared. They won't survive their local violence - gangs, the individual scum who use social unrest to rape, rob and steal, inability to simply take care of their daily needs - food, water, etc.
ReplyDeleteCall it a SWAG (Scientific, Wild-Ass Guess), but I doubt if 50% of those folks will survive much past the initiation of hostilities. Many (most?) of any remaining will probably avail themselves of whatever "Emergency Center", DHS detention center, or other facilities that state and Federal agencies have in place. Which will actually make a taret-rich environment for counter-value operations. The few guards necessary for keeping folks within a detention center/Emergency Center will certainly not be enough to repel any kind of force brought to bear from without.
It also would seem to stand to reason that, if the sheep are sequestered in such a manner, those wandering loose are either FreeFor or targets.
Let me go on record with the prediction that most likely there will not be a great die-off in America, and ultimately, after a little rioting, the middle and lower-class parasites will go to work for a living. Everybody is faking their belief in communism, nobody is really that stupid.
ReplyDeleteIf people were truly commies, they would expect the invisible hand of communism to provide them with alcohol and weed. Drugs are sold at every step for whatever the market will bear, and everybody understands how this substantially free market system works. Everybody. All the lefties, all the hippies, all the welfare recipients, all the writers at the New York Times.
Government is the great game by which everybody attempts to live at the expense of everybody else. As long as the NYT can keep the game going by talking it up, they will. But everybody knows the real score. That's why everybody is worried now, they have a true understanding and they recognize it's about to go bust.