tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post2890657607375869322..comments2023-12-23T16:59:19.185+00:00Comments on Western Rifle Shooters Association: Follow-up: Iowa National Guard Weapons Confiscation DrillsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-85137058542409544832009-02-22T18:29:00.000+00:002009-02-22T18:29:00.000+00:00I can't help but wonder what would happen if an ad...<I>I can't help but wonder what would happen if an ad hoc group of citizens were walking around the same neighborhoods as the NG troops 'in training' with their favorite battle rifle, ammo'd up (but out of courtesy, no rounds in the chamber) and all their gear necessary for a day Op?</I><BR/><BR/>I suspect they would be arrested and charged as terrorists, under that recent national law that defines terrorism as the attempt to influence the behavior of government with force. Look how much legal hassle the civilians patrolling the Mexican border receive; yet they are unarmed and not interfering with a military exercise.<BR/><BR/><I>what will be portrayed to them as lawful orders to confiscate guns from American citizens.</I><BR/><BR/>Of course they will be lawful orders; at that time they will be able to show a brand new gun registration law from congress with the commander-in-chief's signature on it. Everything Hitler did was lawful too, even if it had to be approved after the fact, just like the US congress did for the telco companies spying on us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-49456903673551891772009-02-22T17:53:00.000+00:002009-02-22T17:53:00.000+00:00Daniel: Your friends at the Cracker Barrel and McD...Daniel: Your friends at the Cracker Barrel and McDonald's are asking for a contact.<BR/><BR/>Drop a line to bloviate@hotmail.com when you can.Concerned Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257709418390025182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-60058222099052775172009-02-22T16:22:00.000+00:002009-02-22T16:22:00.000+00:00Daniel:I'd be a lot more willing to stand down and...Daniel:<BR/><BR/>I'd be a lot more willing to stand down and give the NG people the benefit of the doubt if<BR/><BR/>a) POTUS and Congress were not hard-over gun-grabbers, and<BR/><BR/>b) I wasn't pretty damned sure that most .mil folks will obey what will be portrayed to them as lawful orders to confiscate guns from American citizens.<BR/><BR/>Be careful out there.Concerned Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257709418390025182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-7987731154171912432009-02-22T11:57:00.000+00:002009-02-22T11:57:00.000+00:00.....RUBY RIDGE, WACO, KATRINA!WE SHALL KNOW THEM ........RUBY RIDGE, WACO, KATRINA!<BR/><BR/>WE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR DEEDS.<BR/><BR/>WAKE UP AMERICA!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-24475155821304262382009-02-22T11:56:00.000+00:002009-02-22T11:56:00.000+00:00AFTER HEARING LTC HAPGOOD RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS...AFTER HEARING LTC HAPGOOD RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS POSED BY ALEX JONES, IT IS MY FIRM BELIEF HE IS A FUCKING LIAR. HE KNOW WHERE HIS BREAD IS BUTTERED AND HE IS A CAREER MILITARY MAN. HE IS GOING TO FOLLOW WHATEVER ORDER IS GIVEN BECAUSE HE IS COUNTING ON HIS PENSION TO BE THERE WHEN HE RETIRES.<BR/><BR/>HE DID NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. HE IS A TRAINED COMMUNICATIONS MAN. THAT MEANS HE HAS BEEN TAUGHT HOW TO OBFUSCATE AND USE SUBTERFUGE TO ADDRESS HARD HITTING QUESTIONS. <BR/><BR/>AGAIN I SAY, I AM NOT A VETERAN OR A COP. BUT MY B.S. METER IS RUNNING ON HIGH ALERT. <BR/><BR/>THIS WAS A TEST TO SEE IF THE PEOPLE WHERE SLEEPING. AND THEY WILL BE BACK TO TRY AGAIN AT A MORE OPPORTUNE TIME.<BR/><BR/>THINK ABOUT IT. USE YOUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND THEN PREPARE TO ACT.<BR/><BR/>THIS SHIT IS GETTING DEEP.<BR/><BR/>I AM STILL VERY CONCERNED....NAY ALARMED.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-5512794478956983342009-02-22T04:22:00.000+00:002009-02-22T04:22:00.000+00:00They sure as hell showed us by example at Ruby Rid...They sure as hell showed us by example at Ruby Ridge and Wako and those poor Morman women and children in Texas last year. Uncle Sam passed the test. They got away with it and us RUBES sat back on our asses and Fucking did nothing. More importantly the Police and military also passed the test and did what the hell they were told to do. What in the fucking hell makes you think the future will be any different. Just realize that you are on your own. No one is gonna come to your aid. I personally intend to die on my feet but you have to make your own choices. Just get it into your thick skulls that if you're waiting for someone else then prepare for a life on your knees. IIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-64120465729507683422009-02-22T00:51:00.000+00:002009-02-22T00:51:00.000+00:00http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homelan...http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/<BR/>And a combat brigade is coming home to "help people at home".<BR/>Wonder if they aren't helping at home anymore? This little "exercise was AFTER being over there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-70569858937476224022009-02-22T00:07:00.000+00:002009-02-22T00:07:00.000+00:00In fact, in my time in the British Army we did all...In fact, in my time in the British Army we did all sorts of training in public places, in civilian clothes, and civilian (hired) vehicles, to do with covert surveillance and tracking "terrorists." Said, "terrorists" were other soldiers pretending to be terrorists/fifth columnists, wandering around amongst the public. We were specifically told to avoid getting arrested by the police because it would cause difficulties.<BR/><BR/>We broke into military bases to see if the security was effective. Perhaps you will be comforted to know that nine times of ten it was totally useless despite the fact we were very far from the calibre of special forces troops that would be expected to attempt to break into military installations in the event of lead-in to war with the Soviet Union. (And they were specifically told a bunch of part-time soldiers were going to attempt a break-in and when.)<BR/><BR/>I also personally spent time tracking Soviet personnel doing reconnaissance of UK Military Installations in private vehicles - following empty Eastern European container trucks that were driving around back roads around air bases, which would have two very fit looking young men (Special Forces soldiers on a recce of potential targets) in the truck cab. We were following them so's they'd know they were actually being monitored. It's something I wouldn't have believed was actually going on if I hadn't participated in it for myself.<BR/><BR/>This was all during the Cold War, and a time of great activity in the"Troubles" in Northern Ireland.<BR/><BR/>I'm quite prepared to believe these National Guard troops would train in the local community, with the community's support, if they thought it would further their war mission in Iraq or Afghanistan. Equally, it's easy to see how this sort of training is a double-edged sword and could be designed for something else. Hence my earlier comment.<BR/><BR/>From my military experience I can assure you soldiers are concerned about what constitutes a lawful order and in what circumstances deadly force could be used and do argue the about it. Of course, the context of the Cold War armies and the threat of massive nuclear attack were a different situation to what we see today. Nonetheless, I would expect modern, well-educated, soldiers to be doing what they thought to be the right thing, I would imagine that the situation in the United States of America will have to deteriorate considerably before significant numbers of its soldiers could be persuaded to accept Martial Law was necessary, excepting in circumstances that appeared to be localised and extreme, e.g. Katrina.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, of course, that things look worryingly like they are heading for that perfect storm.Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12671875907666342941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-11598802878931889592009-02-21T23:54:00.000+00:002009-02-21T23:54:00.000+00:00If the 'training exercise' did take place (Anywher...If the 'training exercise' did take place (Anywhere, USA), what if:<BR/>I can't help but wonder what would happen if an ad hoc group of citizens were walking around the same neighborhoods as the NG troops 'in training' with their favorite battle rifle, ammo'd up (but out of courtesy, no rounds in the chamber) and all their gear necessary for a day Op?<BR/><BR/>Maybe that's the realism that these troopers should be seeing? Not just some sheople willing to heed every beck and call of the NG.<BR/>Maybe that would send a powerful message to one and all that the citizenry is not to be trifled with. We will not go quietly in the night.<BR/><BR/>BobcatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-72076683628951186012009-02-21T22:52:00.000+00:002009-02-21T22:52:00.000+00:00TexasShooter - the NG was on the ground in downtow...TexasShooter - the NG was on the ground in downtown Des Moines during an exercise a few years ago. The primary purpose was traffic and crowd control. (Basically: "your papers please")<BR/><BR/>Nary a peep of complaint, I'm ashamed to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-79426321526224897632009-02-21T22:42:00.000+00:002009-02-21T22:42:00.000+00:00I have a couple of points, that I am going to thro...I have a couple of points, that I am going to throw out here:<BR/><BR/>1.Line in the sand<BR/>This “line in the sand” concept has been used for a very long time, and I don't disagree with it, not completely anyway. It is also possible to use the trip wire concept, of which a certain point is crossed and a predetermined reaction is initiated. But taking this a little further, what is the initial meeting of forces. Looking to nature as a source for a point of reference, the likely reaction after a line is crossed is a wheeling about, kicking up dust and sizing up the opponent. This will go on for a period of time, however eventually force will be brought directly to bear against opposing force. Then it is either a fight to the death, or to a point where the weaker party withdraws, and either gives up previously held territory or if the weaker party is the aggressor is unable to take that which was targeted for conquest. <BR/><BR/>To put it another way, the weaker part will either fail to defend, or will fail to take over. More than a lot of people think about the line being crossed part, but fail to think things through to the logical conclusion of such events. I for example, know that if a Criminal Government decides to take private property, and engage me in my residence to do so, a line will be crossed. I also realize that basically means that you either give up, or fight. In this scenario it is highly unlikely that I would fight and win (or even survive), but I also know that I will engage the enemy in battle nonetheless. <BR/><BR/>How many people that speak of the line in the sand have considered this?<BR/><BR/>2.Just being left alone<BR/>There has to come a point, where it is no longer enough to simply be left alone. I see being left alone as something that you hope for, so that there is no need to fight. This is desirable, but only acceptable if it is obtained at no further cost. If the Government decides not to take our arms for example, but strips away free market trade, and requires everyone to be branded or receive a microchip to buy and sell, then being left alone in one facet of existence does not make acceptable the loss of further freedoms. Read the rally cry by Patrick Henry, “The War Inevitable” which ends in the famous quote; “I know not what course others may take but as for me: give me liberty or give me death.” It can be read here http://www.infowars.com/the-war-inevitable/. <BR/><BR/>This brings to my mind another thought; it is time to seek out those who share our common enemy. Allies can be found in places that we may not have thought to look, just make sure that you do not make a deal with the Devil, so to speak. The above website is one such ally in our struggle.<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that there will be a fight, and that it is highly likely that things will never be the same again. You may also wish to read The "Tree of Liberty" letter, From Thomas Jefferson to William Smith (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm). It is this letter that gave us the famous quote:<BR/><BR/>“What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-25836570180603460592009-02-21T22:41:00.000+00:002009-02-21T22:41:00.000+00:00I did 3 years on active duty in the Army, and am c...I did 3 years on active duty in the Army, and am currently in the National Guard, serving for the second time, in Iraq. Once on Active, once so far in the Guard.<BR/><BR/>The Day I am ordered to do somthing like this, is the day I will desert, and take as many fellow soldiers with me as I can.<BR/><BR/>If I am home, and Uniformed Soldiers come to my home, demanding to search my house, they will be shot, the second they step foot across my door.<BR/><BR/>Apparently, the Constitution of the United States is mattering to less and less people, every fucking day now.<BR/><BR/>Rest in Peace, America, July 4th, 1776 - November 4, 2008Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-42650648143548953602009-02-21T21:42:00.000+00:002009-02-21T21:42:00.000+00:00I'm sorry, but I don't believe a word of it. Oh, t...I'm sorry, but I don't believe a word of it. <BR/><BR/>Oh, the gentleman who spoke on behalf of the Guard may believe it, but when push comes to shove, the people on the ground will do what they are told to do and those telling them to do it will be Washington shills, not men like the gentleman who answered the questions. Remember Waco; remember Ruby Ridge. Both of those murderous situations involved troops and most of us would have said that American soldiers or law enforcement would never raise a weapon against American civilians, especially women and children. I think that we can discount that particular fantasy, don't you?<BR/><BR/>Nothing that they do in the US is going to train them for field work in countries like Afghanistan and they have to think that we're pretty stupid to buy that excuse. How many Afghanis live in homes like Americans? How many live in small, neat middle income enclaves like the folks that will be involved in this "exercise"? How many will open their doors willingly to these soldiers as our folks will? No, this is to prepare our own soldiers to police our own people and nobody should deceive themselves otherwise.Val Protohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277237062954716520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-83723529634030642122009-02-21T21:27:00.000+00:002009-02-21T21:27:00.000+00:00Is suppose that I'm saying what Johnny said: and t...Is suppose that I'm saying what Johnny said: and that the presence of armed/uniformed soldiers going house-to-house is training for onlooking Iowans. Regular civilians need a long period of getting used to these kind of sights in the street without a need to call the telephone tree for mobilization. <BR/><BR/>I don't doubt the ONG Lt. Col. He gets his short-term marching orders from an even higher pay grade. When it's time, he will be replaced with a more compliant man who will follow orders to "pacify" urban FUSA. The troops will rise to the level of their training, and do what they are told. <BR/><BR/>Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-13029657010948234932009-02-21T17:43:00.000+00:002009-02-21T17:43:00.000+00:00The novel Neither Predator Nor Prey goes into quit...The novel Neither Predator Nor Prey goes into quite a bit of detail on this exact topic. www.neitherpredatornorprey.com<BR/>The governor of Wyoming is blackmailed by the feds into imposing martial law in one of the counties in order to help the feds enforce their new gun control measures. The author retired as a Master Sergeant with thirty years service in the Wyoming army National Guard and is knowledgeable about both the capabilities and the shortcomings of the National Guard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-48728352263986561752009-02-21T17:37:00.000+00:002009-02-21T17:37:00.000+00:00The novel Neither Predator Nor Prey www.neitherpre...The novel Neither Predator Nor Prey www.neitherpredatornorprey.com goes into quite a bit of detail on this very subject. The governor of Wyoming is blackmailed by the feds into imposing martial law in one of the counties to help enforce new federal gun laws. The author retired as a Master Sergeant with 30 years service in the Wyoming Army National guard and is quite familiar with the Guard's capabilities and shortcomings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-61531740994714262502009-02-21T15:45:00.000+00:002009-02-21T15:45:00.000+00:00World Net Daily reports this morning that the exer...World Net Daily reports this morning that the exercise has been called off.<BR/><BR/>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89527Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-18590660817150402802009-02-21T10:01:00.000+00:002009-02-21T10:01:00.000+00:00From my understanding of history and military theo...From my understanding of history and military theory, I see it going down this way:<BR/><BR/>The element to note is that <EM>the Iowa National Guard will not be used in Iowa</EM>. The Guard will be mobilized for "national defense" (i.e at the Federal level) and moved to some kind of "staging area" (out of State) for "re-equipment before deployment." Likely they will be given training in "riot control" to ginger them up a bit and get them used to aggression against American civilians in a context they will see as plausibly justifiable. Then National Guard units, augmented by some kind of Federal Government element who will operate political oversight, will be deployed to "areas of concern" which will be as far away from their home States - areas of allegiance - as practical.<BR/><BR/>If I'm right, the inevitable first clue will be National Guard units mobilized in large numbers and training outside their home States in "riot control." So, although the current situation is obviously of great concern we can be charitable and take Lt. Col. Hapgood at his word... at least for now. <BR/><BR/>(FWIW, I served for 5 years in the UK Territorial Army, kind of analogous to your National Guard, in Military Intelligence as an OP INT & SY - so I do have some kind of qualifications that justify me pontificating about this.)Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12671875907666342941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-49495117742776670412009-02-21T05:53:00.000+00:002009-02-21T05:53:00.000+00:00he was so frank, and sounded so sincereHe may have...<I>he was so frank, and sounded so sincere</I><BR/><BR/>He may have been perfectly frank and sincere. That's the purpose of doublethink, it lets you lie without feeling that you are lying.<BR/><BR/><I>training in preparation for overseas, and the "civilians" are supposed to be Afghan villagers and Iraqis.</I><BR/><BR/>The principles behind the bill of rights are universal. They are for all human beings, not just American citizens. There is no valid excuse to be infringing the right to keep and bear arms, or to search without a warrant, no matter whether the peaceful civilians being infringed upon live in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iowa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-80551442676277898462009-02-21T04:42:00.000+00:002009-02-21T04:42:00.000+00:00It'd send the right message if the CO agreed to po...It'd send the right message if the CO agreed to post <A HREF="http://www.jpfo.org/images03/handbill-2a-soldier-b.jpg" REL="nofollow"> this flyer </A> on the unit bulletin board - above his signature.Tom Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439152487935038636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-65566182217290824852009-02-21T03:24:00.001+00:002009-02-21T03:24:00.001+00:00As anonymous stated, thank you both for your swift...As anonymous stated, thank you both for your swift and forthright approach to what is rightfully seen as a troubling story.<BR/><BR/>My question, in reference to the question of intended targets of these actions being iraqi and afghanistani militia's is, Whats the difference?<BR/><BR/>I guess that answers at least part of the question of "where do you draw the line in the sand?" doesnt it? If not at your neighbor's definately not in strange countries. <BR/><BR/>Ill shy away from politics as well, but i wouldnt mind refering anyone interested to the following link:<BR/><BR/>http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/global/the-second-amendment-in-iraq-combat-robotics-and-the-future-of-human-liberty-820<BR/><BR/>an excerpt:<BR/><I><BR/>The US military has been fighting a war against the people of Iraq. The Iraqi “militias” are directly equivalent to the well regulated militia that the Founding Fathers discussed as the last line of defense against government oppression - US government oppression. The fact that this oppression is occurring in Iraq rather than on US soil does not change the role of guns as tools of self-determination. The Second Amendment is guarantee of a right, but that right is based in observable reality. It is operating in Iraq today, and the streets run with blood as people exercise their right to die and kill for what they believe, however misguided it may be.<BR/><BR/>The Iraqi people are demonstrating the Second Amendment.<BR/><B><BR/><BR/>The US must not develop the ability to win in future wars against populations like we see in Iraq if it wishes to remain a good nation.</B></I><BR/><BR/>The focus of the article is very different, focusing on technology rather than tactics, but the end conclusion is the same:<BR/><BR/><B>If it can happen over there, it can happen here</B>ReverendFranzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14309856871541884258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-28319836578951015522009-02-21T03:24:00.000+00:002009-02-21T03:24:00.000+00:00As anonymous stated, thank you both for your swift...As anonymous stated, thank you both for your swift and forthright approach to what is rightfully seen as a troubling story.<BR/><BR/>My question, in reference to the question of intended targets of these actions being iraqi and afghanistani militia's is, Whats the difference?<BR/><BR/>I guess that answers at least part of the question of "where do you draw the line in the sand?" doesnt it? If not at your neighbor's definately not in strange countries. <BR/><BR/>Ill shy away from politics as well, but i wouldnt mind refering anyone interested to the following link:<BR/><BR/>http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/global/the-second-amendment-in-iraq-combat-robotics-and-the-future-of-human-liberty-820<BR/><BR/>an excerpt:<BR/><I><BR/>The US military has been fighting a war against the people of Iraq. The Iraqi “militias” are directly equivalent to the well regulated militia that the Founding Fathers discussed as the last line of defense against government oppression - US government oppression. The fact that this oppression is occurring in Iraq rather than on US soil does not change the role of guns as tools of self-determination. The Second Amendment is guarantee of a right, but that right is based in observable reality. It is operating in Iraq today, and the streets run with blood as people exercise their right to die and kill for what they believe, however misguided it may be.<BR/><BR/>The Iraqi people are demonstrating the Second Amendment.<BR/><B><BR/><BR/>The US must not develop the ability to win in future wars against populations like we see in Iraq if it wishes to remain a good nation.</B></I><BR/><BR/>The focus of the article is very different, focusing on technology rather than tactics, but the end conclusion is the same:<BR/><BR/><B>If it can happen over there, it can happen here</B>ReverendFranzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14309856871541884258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-37788518694209868152009-02-21T02:57:00.000+00:002009-02-21T02:57:00.000+00:00our unit has a great relationship with the unit's ...our unit has a great relationship with the unit's hometown of Carroll and also with surrounding towns, including Arcadia, and we have conducted other training events in the area with outstanding cooperation by the local citizens, law enforcement personnel, and first responders.<BR/><BR/>What training exercises have been conducted and when?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2469109905542911409.post-74052850148732939992009-02-21T02:22:00.000+00:002009-02-21T02:22:00.000+00:00Pete and Stewart, You are to be commended for your...Pete and Stewart, <BR/>You are to be commended for your swift and forthright action calling the Iowa NG....but there is something that just still doesn't sit right with me. Call it gut instinct or what ever you will but I smell a rat!<BR/>Question: How many of these young folks that join the military today and have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution have actually read the document?...and if they have not read it how can they be expected to defend the fundamental principals it sets forth?<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, is it not high time we got the U.S. military out of all these little shithole countries we are busy building up and defending? The purpose of a strong national defense is to do just that; DEFEND THE NATION. Our nation. Not "nation building" in some far away place populated by tribes that haven't the foggiest notion about Republican form of government! Not to insure that women can vote!....and not to do the dirty work for the Zionists in Israel!<BR/><BR/>We are a bankrupt nation and we better admit it or we will never again be viewed as a world power. There are plenty of things here at home to fix....roads, and infrastructure. <BR/><BR/>I am not a veteran and I am sure I will hear the howls of anti-semite, isolationist, protectionist, etc. but we are on the wrong path and headed for immanent doom if we don't start to look after our own interests first.<BR/><BR/>I think that this was a test to see if we are sleeping or or if there will be resistance from the heartland. For now you were able to avert a very bad scene. What is next in their scheming?<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your efforts but I am still very concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com